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Nice move by Ward to submarine Bush

Ward again gets Bush.  If the Browns need Ward at the line there will be trouble

No pass rush.  Stafford had all kinds of time to throw.

Bush is a good decoy as well.

Run by Bush again tackle by Ward.  Time for a long throw.

10 yard pass Inc.

Durham catches another throw.

Stafford paniced despite the blitz missing him.  Pass inc.

The Lion drive was not a good sign for the Browns.

Lauvao with a nice block and McGahee for 12

No hole for McGahee

Third down pass to Cameron 3 yards short of the LTG and was knocked away.

Four and out not a good start for the O


Bush for 7 with a Double on Taylor

Skrine with a nice play to knock the ball away

Pass coverage on the 3rd down play Jackson slow to cover TE

Pass and run by bell get another 1st

Haden flagged on a bad call.

2nd call against Haden was also a bad call because the throw was uncatchable.

TD pass to TE Fauria.

DT 7 CL 0

The D is going to fail badly unless the Browns O can keep the ball.  They have now been on the field for 10 minutes in two long drives by the Lions.

At least Little didn’t run the kickoff out to the 6 yard line.


Good throw by Weeden but not caught

Ogbonnaya for 6 off the right side.  66 still has not figured out



Stafford panicked again from Taylor and throws the ball side arm to the ground.

Full blitz caused Stafford to throw wide of Johnson.

Good stop by the D deep in Lion territory.

Great call on the reverse to Benjamin for 40+ yards

Throw to Bess had nice touch.  Weeded with a good throw.

77 pulls and leads McGahee to a 1st down on the run.

Pass to Barnidge well over his head

After a wild cat failed the Browns face 3-8

Good throw to Gordon for the first.

Toss play to McGahee WAY too slow developing.

Nice throw to Ogbonnaya who was WIDE open for the TD.  No Lion in the same area code.

Very good drive with Weeden showing some touch.

CL 7 DT 7


Olgetree drops a 2nd down pass.

Browns blitz both Bryants and Stafford missed the screen pass.

Long throw to Benjamin will help soften the D coverage

Browns make a screen pass work for the 1st.

As Weeden was being hit he throw deep to Gordon.

Lauvao allows Tulloch to penetrate

Schwartz allows Sue to get to Weeden and he throws a pick.

The D line is doing just what the Bills did gaming ET to free up the second guy in.  The O line has to figure out how to stop the rushers.


Ward gets Bush for a 2 yard loss

Lions throw deep to Durham for 23

Pass to Johnson against a right side corner blitz is dropped.

Slay fouls Little to the 39 PI

Pocket breaks down Weeden slides for 8.

Good block by Ogbonnaya gives McGahee a good 7 yard run.

Very good throw to Gordon for 24 to the 23

Grey runs the read option for 10 yards and the 1st.

Good catch by 82 against double coverage.

TO because they could not get the play in soon enough.  Not again!

Ogbonnaya on a draw for the 1st at the 4.

2 min warning DT 7 CL 7 and driving.

Offside on Suh gives the Browns the ball at the 2

Great throw to Little for the TD on a slide to the outside.

CL 14 DT 7


Owens knocks the pass away

Haden knocks a ball away from Durham

Throw by Stafford right on but it is dropped.

Gordon gets the ball on the crossing route but he is limping.

Weeden misses the dump off pass to Ogbonnaya

Throw to Gordon just a little out of Bounds

40 yard FG GOOD

CL 17 DT 7

Great drive for the FG.  Well done.




False start by Cameron

Det D line much more aggressive on the run traps McGahee after just a yard.

Two throws net 9 not enough. 3 and out again.


Bush drops the pass. 6 total drops by the Lions

Bush runs for 39 yards because the safeties were up at the line.

Stafford passes for the 1st at the Browns 21

Screen pass to Bush catches the Browns in an all out blitz TD

CL 17 DT 14

Weeden and Little not on the same page for the Inc.

Off side on Suh

Reverse to Gordon nets 0

Weeden forced out of the pocket runs for just a yard.

3 and out again.


Browns need a pick 6.

Mingo gets Bush for a loss of 2

Bush gets around Jackson for 9 on the catch

Pick play by TE gets Johnson a 10 yard catch

Bush for 6 on the Browns right side.

Ward missed the tackle on Bell for a gain of 3

Bell runs over Ward again for the 1st

O line gets nice push for 3 yards for Bush

Skrine blew coverage on Durham but Stafford missed him wide.

Johnson catches the ball short of the LTG but Skrine can’t bring him down

Skrine tips the ball away from 83 and Gipson picks it off with a return to the 30.

The Lions have made some significant adjustments to the O understanding the Browns have their S close to the line.  It has cost the Browns in the first two drives of the half.

Browns line not getting any push.  McGahee gets only 2 on a run left

Weeden throws to Barnidge for a loss of 2.  Delayed blitz almost got him

Right side stunt again fools the Browns O line.  Lions get the sack at the 20.

Third 3 and out this half.  The Lions D has stepped it up.  The Browns O has stepped out.


Bush over the middle for the 1st.

Bush on a bubble screen for the 1st.  Are we seeing a pattern here?

Pettigrew gets away from LB Robertson for the 1st at the Browns 23

Fauria and Stafford pick on Robertson again for the TD.

The Lions have found a soft spot on the Browns D and really have taken advantage of it.  The Browns REALLY need to get several 1st downs and a score.

DT 21 CL 17 10:35 left in the 4th quarter.

Gordon gets open at the 34 for the first 1st down of the half.

Grounding on Weeden for a loss of 10.  He had a guy open but didn’t see him.

Grounding followed by an Illegal Procedure for a loss of 5.  2nd and 25

Long throw to Little called incomplete but the Browns challenge.  Browns NEED this one.

Officals decide he was out on the catch.

Never get the ball close to the LTG on a 13 yard pass.  Have to at least try.  The pass was too late to give Ogbonnaya a chance to get the 1st.


15 yards on Bademosi brings the ball up to the Lion 41.8:57 left

Great side arm to Durham to the Browns 39.

Browns D getting eaten alive by the adjustments.

Bush for 2 6:39 left

Ward tips the ball away from Johnson.


DT 24 CL 17 6:04 left

Good out route to Gordon

Pressure again prevents Weeden from stepping into the throw.  Inc.

Cameron for 7 OB.  3rd 3

Slant to Gordon who got away from LB Tulloch.

Weeden is pressured and flips the ball underhand which is picked off.  This was a typical Weeden brain cramp.  That cannot happen.



Lions 1st down at the Browns 38 3:09 left

Sidearm to Pettigrew to the 31.  3rd and 3 Browns TO 3:01 left

Skrine tips the pass away but Groves called for Personal foul on Stafford

TD to Fauria

DT 31 CL 17 2:01 left but it doesn’t matter.

Short pass

Weeden misses

Ogbonnaya drops the ball.

4th and 1 but they struggle to get the play in.

Weeden fumbles on 2nd down but the Ref thought it was 4th down.

Where did the NFL get these fools?  I want the scabs back.


Final thoughts


It was not a tale of two halves.  It was a tale of a Good quarter by the Browns and three good quarters by the Lions.  The key to the failure of the Browns O in the 2nd half was the adjustments made by the Lions.  The Lions had watched the tapes of previous Browns games.  On D they began to do much more ET stunting.  That sends the end inside and the tackle outside against the OT.   Way too often both guys took the outside guy letting the DE coming inside free to get to QB Brandon Weeden.  The D was also using a lot more delayed blitzes.


But by far the biggest issue the Browns O had was Weeden’s weaknesses.  The only time he completes a pass down field is when his first option is open.  When that is not the case a good QB resets his feet to throw to a second option.  Weeden just panics and throws the ball to a check down, out of bounds or to the opposition.  None of those options produce a first down.  Weeden feels pressure even when it is not there.  So many of his interceptions are stupid throws that no NFL QB should ever make.  The second pick against the Lions was a perfect example.  He is still holding the ball, staring down his receivers and taking his eyes off the target when he feels a rush.


He also does not see the field at all well.  The result is he holds the ball and takes unnecessary sacks even though there are receivers open.   While part of that is a holdover from the Pat Shurmur staff insisting that he not throw interceptions, he has not been able to anticipate receivers coming open.  He is not now nor will he ever be a successful NFL starter.  The fans will be able to tell if team management wants to tank the season.  If they do they will just continue to start Weeden.  The team will be hard pressed to win another game with him at QB.


The receivers were just OK today.  They were not working hard enough to get open on every pattern but that would not have mattered because Weeden would not have found them anyway.  Generally the receivers caught the balls that were close to them.  This is not an NFL quality group.  However the lack of production was much more on Weeden than on the WRs.


The running game suffers from the lack of blocking.  In the second half the backs were hit at or behind the line of scrimmage.  That is not acceptable.  Willis McGahee is running hard.  He could be a 1,000 yard back over a full season with any kind of blocking.




The real tragedy of the inept offense is the Browns Defense is playing at a very high level.  Even when the O went 3 and out over and over, the D hung in and slowed the Lions potent offense.  The adjustment the Lions made in the 2nd half involved getting WRs covered by linebackers.  They also picked on CB Owens often.  While the D can be effective, they need rest.  With the O going 3 and out so often the D hardly had time to get a drink before they had to go out again.


It takes a lot more energy to rush the QB than to pass block.  Even with a decent rotation the D line struggled to get any significant pressure on QB Matt Stafford.  That was particularly true in the second half.




The Browns never found an answer for the half time adjustments the Lions made.  If they had the Browns might have won the game despite Weeden.  This is not the first time.  The Browns have had the lead in every game.  The team comes out flat in the second half.  In his press conference head coach Rob Chudzinski said “half time adjustments are over rated.”  In my opinion that is not the case.  Browns fans have not seen half time adjustments since the team came back in 1999.  The Browns needed to make adjustments to what the Lions did.  They failed to do that and the team lost.



The Bottom line:

This loss is not totally at the feet of Weeden.  The coaching staff and the O line have some responsibility as well.  However, it is impossible to win with a QB that panics every time the D pressures him.  In my opinion Weeden will not change and needs to be gone as soon as possible.  We have not seen enough of Brian Hoyer to know if he could be a decent starter.  I doubt he has the arm strength to win in the winds of December and January.  But I for one have seen MORE than enough of Weeden to last me a lifetime.




That’s what I think.  Tell me what you think.


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The home crowd looks better than last week.


Gipson nice play TFL

TE Pettigrew missed the pass.

Robertson covers well out of the ILB

Nice 3 and out

Special teams penalty costs the browns good field position (Skrine)

TRich with a nice carry but the blocking not so strong

Weeden throws into double coverage Gordon almost caught it.

Browns go 3 and out after a 1st down penalty on the Lions.


The Browns stopped the Bush runs on 1st and 2nd down

Blitz gets to Stafford and Haden knocks the pass away.

Good showing for the D

TRich hit in the backfield over left guard.  NOT GOOD

Gordon with a nice run after catch

9 yard run by TRich but he was first touched in the backfield.

Det collapses the pocket on the screen pass

Browns are confused and it costs them a time out

17 yard run by TRich is all him.  Pinkston hurt by Greco getting blown up

Lions smell out the screen.  -1

3rd and 8 play fails because no one is open down field.



Bush was WIDE open but Taylor knocked down the pass

On 3rd down Taylor gets pressure up the gut to prevent the 1st

Browns force another 3 and out

Suh on a personal foul on Weeden

Lewis hit behind the line and Schwartz is pushed on his back

Weeden read the blitz and completes to Gordon for 34 yards

Lewis hit in the back field again.  -2 and the O line is not blocking the run well at all.

Cameron makes a great catch on a go get it ball.  He is starting to show something

Clev 10-0



Bush beats Jackson to the corner for a long gain.  18-35

Sheard blows up the blocker and tackles the runner

Kruger misses a ball thrown right at him on a screen

Third and 24 well short of the LTG.

Special teams penalty costs TD return

Instead it is 1st and 10 from the 8

No run blocking again and the team faces 3rd and 12

Weeden hits Gordon for a 1st   Great anticipation of the break of Gordon. For 23 yards

Great throw by Weeden to Cameron for 24

Ogbonnaya has the best block by a FB I have seen since 99 and Lewis runs for 31

Lewis shows good vision and gets 2 without help

Lions play man and Weeden/Cameron makes them pay.  TD   Great drive with chunk plays for the score!

Cle 17 Det 0


KO-13 Det with the ball at the 22

Jackson covers TE Pettigrew well for little gain on the pass

Owens hits the receiver after a 3 yard pass

Pettigrew gets a little open and gets the FD

Sheard drops Bush for a loss of 3

Gipson misses the tackle at the line and Bush gets 7

Haden misses Bush and he gets a 1st down

Owens looks good tackling Bush for a 3 yard gain

Jackson closes on Stafford running for the 1st and stops him a half yard short.

Bush gets 5 on an option play wide

Two Bush runs net 5 yards.  The D is doing better on the run

3rd down pass is knocked down by Robertson.  Great coverage again by him

48 yard FG

Cle 17 Det 3

Mingo out Barnidge also out

Campbell gets flushed out but a 5 yard penalty helps the Browns

Good pass to Little

Lewis shows good vision and gets 4 all by himself

Screen loses 8 yards.  Still not good at that play

Good effort by Lewis to try to get the 1st.  Just short


Half time.

Again no gain on a run with the 2nd unit

Campbell misses Cooper who was wide open

Campbell gets sacked loss of 10 on a blitz by Det


Holding on Det moved the ball back to their 29

2 passes give the Lions a 1st at the 41

Kitchen, Aubry and Fort shut down a run wide for no gain

Wade with a great play knocking the ball down

Browns get decent pressure with a 4 man rush and Hill runs but fails to covert

After a 9 yard completion the Browns lose 2 on a run and a 5 yard penalty.

Campbell runs for the 1st

The Browns face 3rd and 9 again at the 31

Lewis hurt on a 6 yard pass on 3rd and 9.


The Lions drive for a 31 yard FG against the 2nd D.  The 2nd team D allowed too much yardage but was able to force the FG.

CL 17 DT 6

Jackson makes the LB miss on a swing pass and picks up 18 yards.


Campbell makes a good pass for 9 but the procedure penalty makes it 3rd and 6 (Gilkey)

Nice throw under the blitz gets the 1st.   Campbell is looking very sharp on this drive.

TE Davis with a nice catch for another 1st.

Jackson with a good catch bringing the ball down to DT 19

3rd and 3 and the Browns use a TO.

Great move by Jackson on a swing pass for the TD.

This was a very solid drive all on the arm of Campbell.  He has solidified his #2 QB spot.

CL 24 DT 6


KO +8

The Browns 3rd D holds the Lions for a 3 and out.  Good job against the 3rd QB of the Lions Moore.

Hoyer in at QB.

Holding penalty send the browns to a 2nd and long.

Great pass to Roberson for 22 and a 1st.

But Hoyer is not able to covert again.

P Lanning punts from the Lions 40 and it goes into the endzone for a touchback.


The Lions get a first on two passes.

S Richardson makes a good tackle to prevent RB Riddick from getting a 1st.

The Browns 3rd D stops the Lions 3rd O and force a punt.

On 3rd and 11 Hoyer misses a handoff.


Thad Lewis (former Brown) comes in at QB for the Lions.  He showed he can pass with a couple of 1st downs against deep coverage.  But on 4th down he failed to hit a wide open TE and the Browns closed out the game.



Overall thoughts

1st team Offense:

Every Browns fan has to be pleased with the way the 1st team O has looked.  While Weeden has looked much better, a lot of the improvement has to be due to Norv Turner’s offensive design.  I knew two years ago what a lot of people are learning now—Pat Shurmur was not prepared to be an Offensive Coordinator let alone head coach.  Shurmur’s O was offensive.  It did not even try to take advantage of the skills of his players.  THAT is the worst indictment that can be made against any coach.


Weeden is clearly much more effective this season than in the past year.  It looks like the coaching is helping him improve.  He is much more comfortable in the shotgun and the preseason offense has allowed him to throw from the gun often.  He is delivering the ball much more quickly than last year with defined reads that help him.  The improvement in accuracy has helped along with the wide receivers doing a much better job of running crisp accurate routes.


However, this is the preseason.  Defenses are not generally rotating zones or using their most unique blitz packages against the team.  On the other side of that coin, the Browns are showing a very small percentage of their O package as well.  When I see the team have the same level of success in the regular season I will feel much better about the chances of this team to score through the air.


Gordon has looked good.  But the biggest jump in both route running and catching the ball has come from TE Cameron.  In the Lions game he was explosive and dependable.  The team needs him to continue to improve in both those areas.  Little still has concentration issues catching the ball in traffic.  All the running backs except Marecic seem to be able to catch the ball.


The running game is not working at all.  The yardage that the backs have gotten has been due to their ability to break tackles or find unplanned holes in the D.  On almost every play the runner is hit at or behind the line.  That is caused by a lack of run blocking.  Marecic is useless at FB.  Ogbonnaya tries hard and at least knows who to block.  But he does not have the strength to be an effective FB.


The line is hampered by injury.  However, much of the Turner O depends on play action.  Unless the team can run effectively, no linebacker will respond to play action.  The line needs to get much better at driving the defenders out of the holes.  If not Weeden will face nickel and dime defenses every play.


Reserve O:

Campbell looked very good in both games and has solidified his spot as the #2 QB.  Fans can rest much easier knowing they have a legitimate backup for Weeden.  The second unit that played last night was in part the 3rd unit due to injuries to 2 guards.  They held up OK against the 2nd and 3rd D guys of the Lions pass rush but also struggled to block the run.


1st team Defense:

The D was outstanding against a good Lion O.  It forced three consecutive 3 and outs and gave up a single first down before forcing a 4th straight punt.  The pass rush was good but not overwhelming.  The Lions were without their star WR Johnson.  The D did a good job controlling RB Bush on most plays.  The game was highlighted by improved pass coverage.  The linebackers were doing a very good job covering TEs and RBs.  That is critical given the desire to blitz a lot.  The deep coverage was much better as well although the Lions did not throw deep often.


The D did not do as well against the run.  There was still some run leakage that needs to be cleaned up for the regular season.


Reserve D:

The second and third units did OK.  Those teams gave up yardage but holding the Lions to two field goals was outstanding.  The Browns will win a lot of games if the D can hold opponents to 6 points.  Several players stood out during the later parts of the game.  They will become critical should the D suffer injuries like the O has so far this season.


Injuries are an issue:

OG Lauvao was already out with a serious injury.  That issue was compounded by the injury to his replacement OG Pinkston who will be out 4 or more weeks with a high ankle sprain.  RB Lewis had enjoyed a great preseason but was lost with a broken bone in the leg which will keep him out for at least 4 weeks.  OLB Mingo was hospitalized with a bruised lung.



The game was a confirmation of the win last week against the Rams.  Both teams are expected to win 8 or 9 games this year.  It shows how much good coaching can help a team improve and succeed.  To the win starved Browns fans it was something to be celebrated.  But the injuries put a bit of a cloud over the Sun this morning.



That’s what I think.  Tell me what you think.


Bill Smith is a former coach of several semi-pro teams, has officiated both football and basketball, done color on radio for college football and basketball and has scouted talent. He edits https://fryingpansports.com.  He has also published several novels on and a non-fiction work at http://www.merriam-press.com/.  Follow him on twitter @NNRonDSN to get the schedule of Special News, Notes and Rumors broadcasts.  You can hear the previous shows on https://fryingpansports.com/radio-show/.

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