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Why did the Steelers fall so far so fast?

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The reason the Steelers have been so bad this year is their drafts have not refilled the pipeline of starters like it did in years past.  Here is the complete list of players drafted from 2008-2011.  The last two drafts are too new to get a good evaluation.

 

The bottom line is the Steelers have only 4 full time starters out of 33 total picks.  That is not enough to keep the Steelers competitive.  The issue this season is not the coach.  The problem is the front office.

 

2008 Draft  0 starters in 2013

 

1          23        Rashard Mendenhall   RB       Illinois

Mendenhall started for the Steelers for just 3 seasons and was let go in free agency in 2012.

 

2          53        Limas Sweed             WR      Texas

He never started a game for the team and had only 7 catches in 2 seasons.

 

3          88        Bruce Davis                LB       UCLA

He was only a special teams player in 5 games in 2008 and was released in 2009.

 

4          130      Tony Hills                   T          Texas

Hills was active for just 4 games in his 3 seasons with the team.

 

5          156      Dennis Dixon             QB       Oregon

Dixon has started 3 games when he was the only option.  His athleticism has gotten him a lot of tryouts.

 

6          188      Mike Humpal             OLB    Iowa

He did not make the final roster.

 

6          194      Ryan Mundy               FS        West Virginia

Mundy is a special teams player that did make 5 starts over 4 years for the team.

 

 

2009 Draft 1 starter 1 part time starter in 2013.

1          32        Ziggy Hood                 DT       Missouri

Hood has become a fairly productive player and intermittent starter.

 

3          79        Kraig Urbik                 T          Wisconsin

He never was active for the Steelers and was released in 2010.  He did start games for the Bills.

 

3          84        Mike Wallace             WR      Mississippi

Wallace was a 3rd round pick because he was a head case.  While this pick was successful, the team was done with him by 2013 and let him walk in free agency.

 

3          96        Keenan Lewis             DB       Oregon State

Lewis was active for only 13 games in his first 2 seasons.  He did start in 2012 but was not retained.

 

5          168      Joe Burnett                 DB       Central Florida

He was active for 15 games in 09 but did not make the roster in 2010.

 

5          169      Frank Summers           RB       Nevada-Las Vegas

He was active for only 2 games in 09 and was cut.

 

6          205      Ra’Shon Harris            DT       Oregon

Harris never played a game for the Steelers.

 

7          226      A.Q. Shipley               C         Penn State

He never made the Steelers roster.

 

7          241      David Johnson            TE       Arkansas State

He has started 25 games but has only 22 catches in his 4 seasons.  He is a blocking TE.

 

 

 

2010 Draft  2 starters one of which is injured.

1          18        Maurkice Pouncey      C         Florida

Pouncey has become a solid starter.

 

2          52        Jason Worilds             LB       Virginia Tech

They are waiting for Worilds to become the player they thought they saw.  So far he has not.

 

3          82        Emmanuel Sanders     WR      Southern Methodist

Sanders has become a decent WR and has 114 catches in 4 seasons.

 

4          116      Thaddeus Gibson        LB       Ohio State

He was never active for the Steelers.

 

5          151      Chris Scott                  T          Tennessee

In 2 years with the Steelers he was active for just 2 games.  He is a starter with the Panthers.

 

5          164      Crezdon Butler           DB       Clemson

He was active for just 4 games and then was released.

 

5          166      Stevenson Sylvester    LB       Utah

He is a good special teams player.

 

6          188      Jonathan Dwyer          RB       Georgia Tech

Dwyer was supposed to be the starter over several seasons but has yet to develop into the guy.

 

6          195      Antonio Brown           WR      Central Michigan

Brown is the second best pick out of this draft.  He has become a starter with 183 catches.

 

7          242      Doug Worthington      DE       Ohio State

He never played a game for the team.

 

 

2011 Draft  1 below average starter in 2013

1          31        Cameron Heyward      DE       Ohio State

The team expected Heyward to become a starter.  So far he is a rotational player at best.

 

2          63        Marcus Gilbert            T          Florida

Gilbert is a starter on a very poor O line.

 

3          95        Curtis Brown             DB       Texas

Brown is a decent dime back and special teams contributor.

 

4          128      Cortez Allen               DB       The Citadel

Allen has started 2 games this season.

 

5          162      Chris Carter                LB       Fresno State

Carter has been active in about half his games since 2011.  He has 7 total tackles.

 

6          196      Keith Williams           G         Nebraska

Despite the desperate need at OG, Williams never made the roster.

 

7          232      Baron Batch                RB       Texas Tech

Batch got 25 carries in 2012.  That was all.

 

 

 

 

That’s what I think.  Tell me what you think.

 

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News, Notes & Rumors Week 1

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News:

The running game in week 1 was WAY down in part because lots of NFL teams have major O line issues.  The Seahawks struggled to score 12 points against the Panthers.  The Browns could not run or pass in a loss to the Dolphins.  The Steelers lose their C Maurkice Pouncey and score only 1 TD.  There was only one RB that got 100+ yards (Shane Vereen of the Pats). and he has a broken bone in his wrist.

 

Colin Kaepernick QB of the 49ers was outstanding against the Packers.  He was 27-39 412 yards with 3 TDs and no picks.  His new best friend is former Raven WR Anquan Boldin who caught 13 passes for 208 yards and a TD.  Despite only running for a total of 90 yards the Niners beat the Pack.   Jim Harbaugh is going to owe brother John a REALLY nice Christmas gift for the trade of Boldin.

 

While the Bills D played well, the Pats are clearly hurt by the loss of targets for Tom Brady.  Of course the two fumbles by RB Stevan Ridley did not help the O.  The same can be said for the Ravens losing Boldin and the Steelers losing Mike Wallace.

 

The Pats have put Vereen on the IR with designation to return list.  That means the earliest he will be back is week 8.

 

The Browns wideouts have shown their speed.  Unfortunately for the team it was in cars on the streets of Cleveland and not on the field.  Both Greg Little and Josh Gordon have been fined for speeding.

 

 

Notes:

 

Bronco QB Payton Manning looks much better to me than he did at any time last year.  Even in the middle of the 2012 season the ball speed was down from his days in Indy.  As much as the 7 TDs were outstanding, his ability to hit very small openings between defenders this year is much better than any time last year.

 

There were two rookie QBs starting and Terrelle Pryor as a new starter for the Raiders.  Bills rookie starter EJ Manuel nearly beat the Pats with a passer rating of 105.  Geno Smith of the Jets had a rating of 80.6 but at least there were no butt-fumbles.  Pryor threw for 217 yards and ran for another 112 scoring a total of 3 TDs with 2 picks.  While none of the three got starter reps from the beginning of training camp, each did pretty well.  They will only get better with more experience.

 

Robert Griffin III did not look 100% to me.  I was not as concerned about his inaccuracy in the first quarter as I was about his mechanics.  Some of that was rust from not playing at all in the preseason.  But I wonder how healthy he is.  There were no QB runs and he looked a little clumsy getting out of the way of the rush.  That is something to watch.

 

Check out my analysis of the Eagles Offense posted yesterday.  I think you will find it interesting.

 

 

Rumors:

There are a couple of teams that are hoping that the Raiders, Jets and Bills fall in love with their new QBs.  The teams that want QBs from the 2014 draft don’t need those three teams joining in the bidding war to get the best candidates.

 

We saw more fights and jawing this week than in any week in recent memory.  The players are generally in a nasty mood and are taking it out on fellow union members.  If the NFL does not get control of this issue there is going to be trouble.

 

Don’t look for Jets’ QB Mark Sanchez to start any time soon.  His injury is worse than the team will admit and management wanted Smith to start day one anyway.  Management is not convinced Smith is the QB of the future but have seen more than enough of Sanchez.  The Jet fans agree.

 

The leash on Browns QB Brandon Weeden got a lot shorter this week due to his 3 picks and many misfires.  The management did not draft him and is not happy with his lack of development.  They will likely allow him to start the next 2 games at the Ravens and at the Vikings.  By the third game WR Josh Gordon will be back from suspension.  But unless he shows significant improvement he could be out week 4.  Backup Jason Campbell would likely replace him.

 

Local media is expressing doubts about the Browns personnel decisions.  The basic issue is that with injuries to the CB and RG spots the team failed to bring in any experienced help.  Instead they brought in undrafted rookies.  There are a couple of OGs available in free agency including Brandon Moore (Jets) and Deuce Lutui (Titans).  After week one a team can bring in a veteran player without having to guarantee his total salary.

 

Giants’ coach Tom Coughlin was fuming on the sidelines after seeing his team turn the ball over six times.

 

OSU is in trouble again but this time it is Oklahoma State University.  While the full scandal found originally by Sports Illustrated is not yet uncovered, it looks really bad.  The charges include payments to players, work done for them by tutors and even recruits getting a “happy ending” from their official hosts.

 

The zebras of the NFL did not have a good week.   While we never hear about penalties by the league against officials, there will be some this week.  Way too many of the officials seem to think the fans come to the game to see them.  Get a clue guys.  You are supposed to be the rule enforcers.  I have no issue with a judgment call being missed.  There is no excuse for not knowing the rules.

 

That’s what I think.  Tell us what you think.

 

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Thoughts about week 15 of the NFL

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The 49ers with Kaepernick are for real.

The win over the Pats was very impressive.  Kaepernick put the team in position to blow out the Pats but the D struggled to keep up the pressure on Brady.  It was the D that gave up the 4 TD lead but Kaepernick ended the game with a TD.  This team is nearly ready to go for it all.  The change from Smith to Kaepernick should have been made earlier in the season.

 

The Jets are a joke that is not funny.

The issue with the Jets is not only QB Sanchez but the roster’s lack of talent.  Mike Tannenbaum Jet’s GM has blown drafts and free agent signings.  HC Ryan is not the best coach in the league but deserves better players.

 

Sanchez was never a favorite of mine because he had only one year of starting at USC.  If he could not beat out John David Booty who was a 5th round pick, what made Tannenbaum think he was worth a top 10 pick?

 

The Browns are not and never were a hot team.

The Browns’ three game winning-streak was against the Steelers with a 97 year old QB that was sitting at home watching the league on TV a week before he started and two of the worst teams in the NFL.  This team is badly coached and hopefully for the fans that will be resolved after the season by the new owner Jimmy Haslam.  However, in my opinion Lombardi is not a quality candidate for the GM spot.

 

Watch out for the Seahawks.

QB Wilson is the real deal.  I told you that in the middle of the 2011 college season and often since.  He has the arm, head and mobility to take this team all the way unless the coaching gets in the way.  The D is solid and when they get their CBs back is as good as any.  At home this team is nearly unbeatable.

 

The Giants are in trouble.

The Skins are playing well.  Even the Cowboys seem to have overcome some QB and HC issues to become a contender rather than the pretender we have seen for several years.  If WR Bryant can stay on the field and be even close to effective, this team will challenge for a playoff spot.

 

The Giants on the other hand are suffering with below average QB play and a boatload of injuries.  Even some of the best coaching in the league cannot save this season.  QB Manning has suffered from a lack of protection and drops by usually reliable receivers.

 

The Bengals are in at this point and the Steelers are out of the playoffs.

The Cincy D is playing well and QB Dalton has solved his footwork issues for the most part.  He is playing consistent ball and living within his limitations of arm strength.  This is not a Super Bowl team yet but it can make the playoffs for a second consecutive season.  That has not happened in a long time.

 

The Steelers are in serious trouble.  They have to beat the Bengals and that will be a problem.  QB Roethlisberger is back but he is not healthy.  The team has an injury plagued D and a running game that is fumble prone.  Even if they back into the playoffs, they will not be a factor.

 

The Falcons need the home field advantage more than any other team.

The Falcons are as inconsistent away from home as any team in the league.  That is in part due to an average D that plays better at home.  If the Falcons get HFA throughout the NFC playoffs they will have a shot at the Super Bowl.  If not they will lose again.

 

The Texans are capable of great or terrible games.

When the Texans lean too much on the passing game they get in trouble.  They have one of the top 2 RBs in the league.  They have to keep the ground game going to keep winning.  QB Schaub is good but can’t carry the team alone.  They need to keep running with Foster.  The D is good enough to win it all but this team may not get there this season.

 

The Broncos are my choice as the best team in the AFC IF…

The IF is can Manning stay healthy?  If so, the team can go far and win both at home and on the road.  If not the team is done.  He has made the WRs much better and helped a less talented OL look good.

 

Coaching changes to look for after the season

The Cardinals will fire Ken Whisenhunt which is a shame.  I doubt it was his choice to staff the QB position with duds.  It is the GM that should be canned.  Whisenhunt is a good coach and will not be unemployed long.

 

The Browns will fire Shurmur and the staff.  Only DC Jauron may stay but that is doubtful.  My preference would be a vet NFL coach but that is not likely to happen.  No top drawer coach will want to come unless Haslam charms him with his great personality.

 

The Jags and Chiefs will change coaches as well.  Both teams have under produced and the Jags new ownership wants progress.  Chiefs’ coach Crennel is a nice guy but is not head coach material.  He will get a job as DC somewhere.

 

The Eagles have already made it clear that HC Reid is gone.  That has more to do with the team tuning out his voice than his coaching ability.  He made a couple of critical staff mistakes that hurt and the fall of Mike Vick did not help.  Reid is a solid coach that will resurface as soon as he wants to work again.

 

The Chargers will replace HC Norv Turner.  He was lucky to have kept his job this long.  He has coached his way out of the league.

 

The Bills may change coaches as well.  Chan Gailey has been the coach since 2010 and has not won much since.  He has been struggling with QB Fitzpatrick but so far the QB is inconsistent.  The team brought in FA DE Williams to help the D but that has not resulted in wins.  The GM Nix’s job is in jeopardy as well.  When you trade for QB Tarvaris Jackson you need QB help and that is not it.

 

That’s what I think.  Tell me what you think.

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Great start with a pick 6.

When the Steeler D scores it keeps our D fresh.

=PT 7 CL 0

The blocking is not holding up.  Greco allows a sack almost as soon as Weeden gets the ball.

Then there is no hole for TRich and he is caught behind the line.

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Mendenhall fumbles after a hit by Rubin and the D recovers.  Young with the recovery.

TRich finds his own hole and gets 7.

TRich finds another hole breaks a tackle and gets the 1st

Another thow short of the LTG and the Browns have to kick a FG.  How long will the new ownership allow Shurmur to screw up his BILLION dollar investment?

=PT 7 CL 3

Browns forgot how to tackle after the day off

No recognition of the screen pass.

DQ fills the hole and stops Dryer.

Miavia avoids the OG and makes the tackle with Ward helping out to end the drive.

TRich is a weapon on the run and the pass.  Circle routes to TR will open up the running game.

Weeden is not seeing the field well.  He checks down too quickly.

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Papa: Maybe it is the wind?   Nope just bad QBs.

Young bats down the 2nd down pass.

3 and out and the Browns get the ball back—unless they fumble the punt.

Cribbs has no vision any longer.  He runs directly into the pile.

The reverse goes no where.  Big risk very little potential return

3 step drop and the throw again does not go beyond the line to gain.

Not enough booze in the world to make this look better to me.

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The Steelers want to avoid giving the ball to Batch to throw.

Dwyer has a history of fumbling in college.  But he is the only one not to loses one so far.  The Browns have the ball on the 10.

TRich gets 3 then 2.  Third and 5 so Shurmur will call a 2 yard pass and kick the FG.

Weeden finds Cameron and the Browns score…I forget what it is called but it counts 6 points.

That was the first TD in the last 20 Browns possessions.

=CL 10 PT 7

Good to see Haden back.  Good thing too because Miava missed the tackle.

Having the two big guys inside helps a lot against the run.

Browns playing too loose a zone and the Steelers get the 1st.

JMJ gets Dwyer at the LOS.

Batch is not even close to the receivers.

Browns get great field position at the 42.

Gordon is strong and can break tackles.  He is a good target for the bubble screen.

Good vision by TRich seeing the hole and making a jump step to it.

Weeden has no ablility to audible away from a bad play.  SHurmur knows best.

GREAT catch by Watson and he gets hit twice the second one hurt.

The Browns O line is not moving the D much.  We need to use misdirection to get holes.

Holding Mack.  Penalty declined.  Dawson O strikes again.

=CL 13 PT 7

After Dwyer’s fumble the Browns have the ball on the 35.

Browns lose yardage twice in a row and face a 3rd and 17.

Ball almost gets picked.  Browns will punt.

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Rainey now in at RB

Sanders wide open and gets the ball to the 50.  Brown makes some nice plays but then will have a brain cramp and miss a coverage.

Pit moves the ball right down the field to get into FG range.

Then with 7 seconds Brown is called for interference in the endzone.  The Browns don’t give up the TD on the first run but Rainey is not wrapped up and rolls off the tackle to score.

-PT 14 CL 13 despite turning the ball over 3 times none of which were Batch’s fault.

HALF

Pit has decided to throw short passes to move the ball because the RBs can’t hold onto it.

Robertson does a great job stopping the screen.  Good to see him on the field.

The Browns D does a great job stopping Pit and force a 3 and out.

TRich is clearly not healthy.  He just doesn’t move like he did before the rib injury.

The O line is beginning to show up.  Nice drive on a 7 yard run.

Little cannot block Harrison.  What was that blocking scheme?

The Browns are forced to punt AGAIN!

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Batch just doesn’t jave the arm strength to throw the deep out.  He is picked by Brown.

The Browns score on a great run by TRich.  Lauvao  trap blocks the DT and Smith gets the LB to open the hole.

=CL 20 PT 14

Rucker stuffs the double team and stops the RB

Miller gives and he takes away.  Gets the 1st over the middle then holds on a run.

Big Taylor gets the sack.

The Rookie G Beachum gets called for holding on his first play replacing RT Adams.

After a short gain Pit punts.

Lauvao holding two plays in a row.

Fourth Quarter CL 20 PT 14

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Pit gets the ball at the Browns 44.

Mendenhall fumbles again but Pit recovers.

Sanders sees his QB in trouble and comes back to bail him out.  That is what we miss not having veteran WRs.

Haden tips the ball out of Wallace’s hands and DT Winn grabs it for the pick.  I was a big fan of Winn before the draft.  It makes a lot of difference having an athletic big guy.

Mack gets his 2nd holding of the day and this is why the team will not win.

Greco gets called and this shows a lack of discipline on the O line.

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Pit 3 and out.  Batch can no longer play at this level.

15 yard return by Cribbs gives the Browns the ball at the 39.

Weeden slides rather than trying to make a play.  Is he turning chicken?

Gordon is hit by two but fights for the 1st.

Weeden on 3rd and 4 gets pounded.  He doesn’t trust his pass protection.

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5:38 Complete to TE. 1ST down

4:29 19 yards to Miller again.  How about covering him.

Weeden taken to the locker room.  Those that want Colt will get him.

2nd and 19 and the Browns Sheard is called for hands to the face.  1ST down.

3:09 42 YL long pass to Wallace fails to get to him and Haden picks it.

Colt takes the ball and a 2 yard pickup by TR.

After 2 runs of 0 total yards and 2 TOs by Pit McCoy will have to throw get the fd.

Richardson runs and Pit will get the ball back with 2:47 left.

The only thing that will save the Browns now with Shurmur being reactive is another Pit TO.

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Rainey fumbles the ball after a great move to avoid a tackle and Taylor Recovers.

Shurmur thinks he is fooling the Steelers by not having a FB in the game.  The only thing he is doing is getting his best runner killed.

It is GREAT to have timeouts available.  But he doesn’t use them and gets the penalty.

Great punt goes out on the 3.

= 0:20 left

On the final play the Steeler fumble again.

 

Conclusion:

The last time I saw that much giving it involved a bell and a red kettle.

The Browns were given the game in a black and Gold gift wrapped box.  This was not a Browns win it was in the truest sense a Steeler loss.

Shurmur gets no credit from me for anything.  He kept the game needlessly close by his Super conservative play calls.  The team was 3-10 3rd down coversions.

Shurmur is playing not to lose.  That will continue to hold the team down.  He did not let Colt throw the ball in his 2 (3 and out) series.  But Colt should not feel bad.  Shurmur didn’t let Weeden throw much in the second half either.

I wonder if the win over the Steelers will give Shurmur a chance to save his job.  I hope not.  As I said he would have been dunce of the year if he had not been able to pull out a win with +6 TOs.  I have seen very little that indicates he has learned anything from his year and 11 games of losing.

I also wonder how badly Weeden is hurt.  We could well see Colt McCoy next week at Oakland.

Shurmur was glowing at his post game press conference like he did something to deserve a win.

What coaching credit there is goes to DC Jauron not HC Shurmur.  The team continues to play hard on both sides of the ball.  But they are not playing any smarter on O.

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Neal Coolong, Steeler beat writer for Behind the Steel Curtain and Yahoo sports joins us to discuss the playoff loss to the Broncos and the Steelers post season plans.

Eric Galko Director of Scouting for Optimum Scouting joins us to talk about the draft with particular focus on teams that will want to trade up to get RG3 and what players might be available at the Browns pick 22.

Peter Pattakos, editor of ClevelandFrowns.com joins us to talk about the fans reaction to the press conferences last week.

Join Mr. Moohead  on http://mooheadradio.com/2.0/ after early Cavs games for his post-game chat.

Bill Smith is a former coach of several semi-pro teams, has officiated both football and basketball, done color on radio for college football and basketball and has scouted talent. He edits http://fryingpansports.com and was a senior writer for .  He has also published several novels on and a non-fiction work at http://www.merriam-press.com/.

He edits http://fryingpanpolitics.org/.  

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