Don't get too excited about a 3 team deal involving Jay Cutler and the Browns.

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Don’t get too excited about a 3 team deal involving Jay Cutler and the Browns.

By Bill Smith

There is a lot of talk about the Browns being the point guard in a three way deal for Denver QB Jay Cutler. Not so fast, my friend. There are more than a couple chuck holes between Cleveland and anywhere Cutler is liable to end up.

The trade chatter has Brown’s QB Brady Quinn going to Denver, Cutler going to Detroit, Tampa, Seattle, or the Jets, and a covey of draft choices coming to the Browns. There are a covey of problems with that scenario.

  1. There is no way that Denver gives up a semi-proven QB with a pro bowl and 37 starts in the NFL over 3 seasons in exchange for Quinn and his 3 starts and 65.8 passer rating. The Broncos will want Quinn and a high draft pick (late 1 or very early 2) to make that deal.
  1. Tampa is out of the contest because they don’t have a second. They traded it to Cleveland for TE Kelvin Winslow. They would give up their 1 for Cutler but that would have to go to Denver to complete the Cutler deal.
  1. Even if Tampa’s 1 came to Cleveland, the Browns would have to give at least one of their 2 second round picks to Denver and possibly both. That would net the Browns the equivalent of a third round pick (the difference between a middle first and a middle 2nd round pick) in exchange for Quinn. That is not a deal that I would make.
  1. I hear the QB Derek Anderson fans chanting now—what about DA? In my opinion, Denver would not accept DA plus a draft choice in exchange for Cutler. I can see them only taking Quinn because he was tutored in college by Charlie Weis at Notre Dame. Weis has Patriot roots and new Bronco coach Josh McDaniel will employ a very similar offense to that of Weis.

So despite the chatter, don’t get too excited. I can’t see any way in which a three way deal could net the Browns anything close to value for Quinn because Denver would want more than Quinn in exchange for Cutler.

There is a possibility of a direct deal with Detroit or the Jets. Quinn for the Dallas pick the Lions own (#22) would make some sense as would the Quinn for the Jets 1 at #17. I am not sure either team would make that deal but the Lions might not be too excited about either rookie QB and want to use the first overall pick for an OT.

The Jets would love anybody that even looked like an NFL quality QB. A more likely deal would be made after the draft if the Jets can’t get either top rated rookie QB. They would be willing to trade a 1 in 2010 for Quinn. That would not be a good deal for the Browns because Quinn’s value would then be the equivalent of a second round pick this year.

The Jets might take Anderson with his big arm in exchange for a 2010 first round pick if they don’t get something they like in the 09 draft. Given the winds in New York in December, Anderson would be a better choice for the Jets than Quinn. The Browns and Jets might do a deal for a second this year and conditional 2nd or 3rd next year for Anderson depending on how he performs.

In any 3 team deal, if the Browns try to be the middle man, they will end up in the middle of a mess.

That’s what I think. Tell me what you think.

Bill Smith is a former coach of several semi-pro teams, has officiated both football and basketball, done color on radio for college football and basketball and has scouted talent. He is a senior writer for and edits http://fryingpansports.com. He has also published several novels on and edits .

My email is [email protected]

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Don’t expect the Pats to go south anytime soon.

By Bill Smith

The Patriots have been losing key people faster than a two month old Christmas Tree drops its needles. Vice president of player personnel Scott Pioli left the team to become the head of football operations for the Kansas City Chiefs. Patriots offensive coordinator/quarterbacks coach Josh McDaniels is now the head coach of the Broncos. It looks like special teams coach Brad Seely will be in Cleveland in that same position. In addition, the Pats expect to lose former Texan head coach Dom Capers among others. So this must mean that the Pats are going to fall like the Dow Jones from the NFL elite, right? Not so fast my friend.

The Patriots are used to this kind of attrition from their coaching and executive ranks. Former Browns coach Romeo Crennel was the D coordinator for the Pats before going to Cleveland. His replacement, Eric Mangini, broke from the organization and became the head coach of the Jets. The team also lost offensive coordinator Charlie Weis to Notre Dame. None of these have been able to duplicate their success in New England. The Pats on the other hand continued to win championships and move on with missing a dance step.

Even this year when they lost enough pro bowl quality players to fill a city bus, head coach Bill Belichick found a way to win. The reason is clear. It is Belichick and not Pioli, McDaniels, Seeley, Capers, et. al. that is the brains behind the operation.

How long can he continue to win with an aging defense, injury history of key players, and the loss of coaching and scouting talent? For a long time. Belichick has taken free agents off the street and plugged them into one of the most complex defenses ever created. Even then, nothing seems to change. The Pats still win.

It is impossible to be sure how the latest batch of Pat refugees will fare in their new positions. Certainly their chances for success is far less than the odds that they will fail. However, based on the past we can expect the Pats to challenge for a spot in the Super Bowl.

That’s what I think. Tell me what you think.

Bill Smith is a former coach of several semi-pro teams, has officiated both football and basketball, done color on radio for college football and basketball and has scouted talent. He is a senior writer for NFLDraftDog.com and edits fryingpansports.com. He has also published several novels on and edits .

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