2017 NFL Draft prospects Offense From NNR podcast

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QB Weak at the top
1 DeShone Kizer ND 6-4 233 R1-2
Above agr arm QB that takes care of the ball. 47TDs 19X Don’t blame him for ND bad season. That’s on Kelly
2 Deshaun Watson Clm 6-3 215 r1
Acc but trusts his arm too much.  76TD 32X Also runs too much. Can he survive in the NFL?
3 *Mitch Trubisky NC 6-2 233 R1
Tall, solidly built passer. Outstanding athlete BUT 1 year starter Lack of experience is a big issue with me
4 Patrick Mahomes II TTK 6-2 225 R1-2
Top arm but inconstant mechanics. Played with no O line or WRs in a league with NO D. Perfect for CL
5 Davis Webb Cal 6-5 230 R2
Lean body with inj hist Out early in 15.  pressure alters his mechanics. Little D in Pac12
WC Chad Kelly Ole Miss 6-2 224 R6-7
Above avg arm & acc but lots of baggage too.
RB Decent depth but too many questions about this group
1 Leonard Fournette LSU 6-0 240 R1
5.5 Y/C Heavy runner with power & speed. Not as well used as most LSU RBs.
2 Dalvin Cook Florida State 5-11 213 R1
Good rec 3rd down back w/speed & balance. 19TDs in 15&16 Can he stay healthy as a 3 down back?
3 Christian McCaffrey Stanford 6-0 200 R1
6.1Y/C kr, pr rb & Good hands Can he stay healthy as a 3 down back?
4 Marlon Mack South Florida 6-0 210 R3-4
6.7y/c The primary back & 3Y starter in smaller conference
5 Alvin Kamara Tennessee 5-10 215 R3-4
6.2y/c Non-Starter that may be better in the NFL than Col.  Good hands 3rd down back in NFL
WC Joe Mixon Oklahoma 6-1 226 R3-?
6.7 Y/c 1st rnd Talent with FA baggage Hit a woman & suspended 1y
WR Good speed but no agreement on this group
1 Corey Davis Western Michigan 6-3 213 R1
4y starter 97c 16 Good size & spd NFL body but has avg hands.
2 Mike Williams Clm 6-3 225 R1
2Y starter 98c 16 Missed 15 with inj.  Avg spd Great hands & ath
3 Curtis Samuel OhS 5-11 197 R1-2
RB or WR? Athl with speed but lacks prime hight & weight Great Acc & chg spd Inj Hist 15
4 Chris Godwin PnSt 6-1 205 R2
2y starter  Good spd & hands & ath 16.4 y/c
5 John Ross Wash 5-11 190 R1-2
Speed 4.22 40 but not the size or hands to be a 1st round pick.
WC JuJu Smith-Schuster USC 6-2 220 R2-3
2Y starter possession rec 4.54 spd
TE One of the best groups in the draft.
1 OJ Howard Alab 6-6 251 1=R1
2Y starter on a team not TE friendly Solid receiver that can block well.
2 Evan Engram Ole Miss 6-3 227 R1-2
3y starter More big WR than TE, Great spd 4.42 decent blocker for his size Good hands
3 David Njoku Miami Fla 6-4 245 R1
1y starter Good athl & decent blocker but has too many drops in my opinion
4 Gerald Everett So Alab 6-4 240 R2
2Y starter good spd but small hands.Deep threat  Decent blocker but some drops.
5 Bucky Hodges VTK 6-7 245 R2-3
3y starter fair spd & decent blocker Good hands real match up nightmare for LB or S
WC Adam Shaheen Ashland Col 6-6 278 R2-3
Could become an OT Small college player that will have to answer a lot of questions about level of competiton
OT Very shallow group
1 Cam Robinson Alab 6-6 322 R1-2
Pulling OT with quick feet solid vs run & pass Played LT for Bama
2 Ryan Ramczyk Wisc 6-6 310 R1-2
1 yr @ Wisc tranfer from D2 quick to 2nd level Ath & power Hip Inj may keep him out of 1st
3 Rod Johnson FlaSt 6-7 300 R1-2
3.5Y ST RT prosp Good blk run quick feet but struggles vs Quick PR.
4 Garrett Bolles Utah 6-5 300 R1-2
Trns 1Y st Ut 2y out FB. Quick & agile but lacks Tech
5 Taylor Morton W Mich 6-5 325 R2
4Y ST good drive blk Will play RT or RG.  Waist bender fair blk pass.
WC Antonio Garcia Troy 6-6 302 R3
4Y ST in small school Needs more Stg but good pass prot
OG  Limited group with a few good players
1 Forrest Lamp W Ky 6-4 309 R1-2
4Y ST @ LT conv to LG due to short arms. Smart & good tech & quick feet
2 Dion Dawkins Temple 6-4 314 R2
3Y ST @ LT Nasty blocker w/power needs better tech
3 Dan Feeney Ind 6-4 305 R2
4Y ST @ RG good pwr Solid vs run & pass Missed 13 w/Lisfranc inj
4 Dorlan Johnson Pitt 6-5 300 R2
4Y ST No fat body smart finishes blocks but needs better tech
5 Isaac Asiata Utah 6-3 323 R2-3
2.5Y ST Top heavy & fails to get to 2nd level Good burst & power Needs tech help
WC Nico Siragusa SDSt 6-4 319 R3-4
Good body Lite feet Not quick @ snap & tends to hold  Interesting player with upside
C Thin group due to spread O in colleges
1 Pat Elflein OhSt 6-3 303 R3
4y st Rimington Win Good pwr & stg Quick Good hands Gets 2nd level
2 Ethan Pocic LSU 6-6 310 R3
3y st Good spd & power Eff @ 2nd level good run blocker needs help vs pass
3 Kyle Fuller Baylor 6-5 307 R3
good pass blk but needs work on Run blocking.
4 Tyler Orlosky WV 6-3 298 R3-4
3Y ST Quick off ball, but has stiff lower body Struggles in space.
5 Cameron Tom So Miss 6-3 291 R5
4y st T Leader, solid run @ 2nd level Too thin needs more stg. Better @ Zone block
WC Jon Toth Ky 6-5 307 R5
4y st Versital C or G & smart & 48 cons starts. Lacks pwr
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Joey Bosa is off my draft board.

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Joey Bosa Ohio State buckeyes

Joey Bosa Ohio State buckeyes

NOTE: On NNR Samantha Bunten of NBC Sports and I discussed the news of the day, injuries from the previous week, and previewed all of this week’s games including a detailed analysis of the Browns game.

Like most Ohio State fans, I was disappointed at the loss to the Spartans. But more than anything else I was shocked to see Joey Bosa fail to perform in the 1st big game of the season. For those of us that are draft-nicks, one thing that predicts failure in the NFL is failure in big games in college. A stiff can look good playing against the Sisters of the Perpetually Miserable. But how a player preforms against a big time opponent has always been an indicator of how that player would fair at the next level.

Bosa did nothing in the MSU game. That is all I needed to see to take him off my board. He might turn out to be a good or even great player. But I can not risk taking a player like that with a top 5 pick in the draft.

Samantha Bunten of NBC Sport and I wish each of you a wonderful Thanksgiving.

That is what I think. Tell us what you think by commenting here or tweeting me @NNRonDSN.

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Bill Smith is a former coach of several semi-pro teams, has officiated both football and basketball, done color on radio for college football and basketball and has scouted talent. He edits http://fryingpansports.com. He has also published several novels on and a non-fiction work at http://www.merriam-press.com/. Follow him on twitter @NNRonDSN to get the schedule of Special News, Notes and Rumors broadcasts. You can hear the previous shows on http://fryingpansports.com/radio-show/.

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Thoughts on the 1st half of the NFL season.

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NOTE: On NNR Samantha Bunten of NBC Sports and I discussed the news of the day, injuries from week 9, and previewed all week 10 games including the Browns/Steelers.

AFC East

Patriots – No question Tom Brady is playing at a very high level. The question is will issues in the D backfield cost them a Super Bowl?

Bills – New coaching staff, solid D but the same old problem—No QB.

Jets – No question the D is one of the very best. They have the same issue as the Bills.

Dolphins – The team quit on their former coach and this team is headed for a total rework.

AFC North

Bengals – QB Andy Dalton has played very well but can they win a playoff game? No.

Steelers – Injuries have decimated this team but the D backfield has never been worse.

Ravens – The only thing that will save HC Harbaugh’s job is the super bowl win.

Browns – It is time to blow up the organization again. The sooner they fire GM Ray Farmer the better the 2016 draft will be.

AFC South

Colts – If things weren’t bad enough Andrew Luck is hurt. The D is pathetic and now the QB is 85 years old.

Texans – Once they stopped flipping coins to decide which QB to start the team has started to win. The D has always been solid. The Colts had better watch out.

Jaguars – Blake Bortles is playing well but needs more weapons. The D is a disaster and needs to be upgraded.

Titans – They drafted a QB and have 2 legitimate starters. They need to trade 1 to get more players.

AFC West

Broncos – Peyton Manning has fallen and he can’t get up. He is clearly not the QB he used to be. The D has saved them often but will not get him to a Super Bowl win.

Raiders – HC Jack Del Rio has this team headed in the right direction. He has a QB and a couple of receivers. One more good draft will make this team very dangerous.

Chiefs – It was clear that KC would struggle on O but the D has disintegrated as well. Maybe the pass rushers’ wallets are slowing them down.

Chargers – Any team that has rumors of moving out of town is bound to be hurt. Phillip Rivers has carried this team on his back for years. This year he is getting even less help than in the past.

NFC East

Giants – Eli Manning is struggling without a run game and an O line in flux. The D needs to generate more pressure on the opposing QB but the injury to JPP has made that unlikely.

Eagles – Chip Kelly has made some strange moves collecting 2 RBS and a QB with serious injury histories. The high speed O will kill the D unless they can make 1st downs and hold the ball.

Redskins – This team is a dumpster fire and yet they are looking down at the Cowboys. They have no QB and the run game has gone south. The D has never been good.

Cowboys – Jerry Jones has no one to blame but himself. He thought either Brandon Weeden or Matt Cassel could replace Tony Romo and keep the team winning. He was VERY wrong.

NFC North

Packers – The Panthers showed every team how to stop the Pack O—cover the receivers until the D line can sack the QB. The D has fallen off as well in the last 2 losses.

Vikings – The combination of Bridgewater and Peterson have the team in the hunt for a playoff spot. But the D is contributing by holding opponents to 17.5 ppg.

Bears – Cutler will be gone next year. Some coach will think they are the guy that can turn him into an superstar but they will be wrong.

Lions – “With the first pick in the 2016 NFL Draft, the Detroit Lions select…”

NFC South

Panthers – Newton is playing OK but is not an MVP candidate completing just 53.7% with 14TDS but 9 interceptions. The D has been outstanding allowing 20.6 ppg.

Falcons – They were undefeated until the O played road kill. It has always been the D that did them in.

Saints – Brees is doing all he can but has to wonder who’s side the D is on. The DC is a big part of the problem.

Buccaneers – Winston is learning that the NFL is not like the ACC. He will get it but it will take a while. The D needs more players like LB David.

NFC West

Cardinals – This team is a time bomb waiting for Carson Palmer to get hurt again. As long as he is healthy this team is a Super Bowl contender.

Rams – Foles is not the answer at QB but neither was Bradford. They have the RB in Gurley and the D. All they need now is the QB and some bigger WRS.

Seahawks – Russel Wilson has been sacked 85 times in 8 games despite his mobility. The O line is killing their chances to get back to the Super Bowl. The D has also given up leads late in games.

49ers – Kaepernick will be gone at the end of the season. Some coach will think they are the guy that can turn him into a star and they will be right. Ownership will be sorry they let their HC and QB leave.

That is what I think. Tell us what you think by commenting here or tweeting me @NNRonDSN.

NOTE: News, Notes and Rumors podcast are BACK. Check out our thoughts on Fridays about the games coming up and Monday on the results of the weekend. My co-host is Samantha Bunten of NBC Sports. Podcasts can be heard on http://fryingpansports.com/radio-show/. Thanks for your support.

Bill Smith is a former coach of several semi-pro teams, has officiated both football and basketball, done color on radio for college football and basketball and has scouted talent. He edits http://fryingpansports.com. He has also published several novels on and a non-fiction work at http://www.merriam-press.com/. Follow him on twitter @NNRonDSN to get the schedule of Special News, Notes and Rumors broadcasts. You can hear the previous shows on http://fryingpansports.com/radio-show/.

He also edits http://fryingpanpolitics.org/.

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What to do about Johnny?

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Manziel (2)

NOTE: On NNR Samantha Bunten of NBC Sports and I discussed the news of the day, injuries from the previous week, previewed all week 9 games and discussed the Browns/Bengals game.

Now that Johnny Manziel has played 2 games this season the question is what should we do about Johnny? Should the Browns go back and play veteran Josh McCown or let Manziel play the rest of the season?

To decide it is necessary to take a look at what has been learned about Manziel’s progress learning the NFL game.

What we saw in the Bengal game last night was a player that was more accurate throwing on the run. That was a good thing because he was harassed all evening because of a pathetic O line performance. He was also more able to keep his eyes down field under pressure. That allowed throws down field against the rush. That is a key ability.

He has adequate arm strength to be an NFL starter. And he is getting better at moving safeties away from his intended targets. While he does this on the move, he struggles to do it in the pocket.

All that is good. However, there are a number of things that make me believe he will never be an adequate NFL starter.

The most significant issue is Manziel’s lack of ability to throw out of the pocket. I can not believe that Coach Mike Pettine said at half time that he wanted to keep Manziel in the pocket. That is exactly what the Bengals wanted to do. They knew that to keep him in the pocket would limit his ability to extend plays.

The next biggest issue is that he does not read defensive coverages nearly well enough to be effective. While time in the film room will help fix that, it is not something that is easy to repair. The ability to learn to read coverage is not only a function of time in the film room and live snaps but also a function of his basic football intelligence and willingness to spend the time to learn his craft. So far he has said all the right things but his actions indicate he is not ready to dedicate himself to his craft.

The big plays that Manziel has made have almost always come from this ability to extend plays. The problem is that no NFL team can build an offense based on extending the play. He also lacks vision from the pocket. While some blame his lack of height that has not prevented other QB prospects from doing well. Both Drew Brees and Russell Wilson are short but see the field much better than Manziel.

He also has issues with putting touch on the ball when needed. Another factor involves his speed. Is he fast enough to get out of the pocket and escape pressure? Again I doubt he does.

Another issue is his ability to physically survive an entire season. He is not nearly as thick as Wilson and is more likely to be injured.

In my opinion with 55 years of watching college and pro football and studying the draft, Manziel is not ever going to become a quality NFL starter. It is time in my opinion to start Austin Davis to whom the team has given an extension. Regardless if he is successful or not the team should draft a QB of the future and let him develop behind Davis for a while. Despite what GM Ray Farmer believes, the NFL is now a passing league that requires a quality QB and tall fast WRS.

That is what I think. Tell us what you think by commenting here or tweeting me @NNRonDSN.

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Bill Smith is a former coach of several semi-pro teams, has officiated both football and basketball, done color on radio for college football and basketball and has scouted talent. He edits http://fryingpansports.com. He has also published several novels on and a non-fiction work at http://www.merriam-press.com/. Follow him on twitter @NNRonDSN to get the schedule of Special News, Notes and Rumors broadcasts. You can hear the previous shows on http://fryingpansports.com/radio-show/.

He also edits http://fryingpanpolitics.org/.

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What is RIGHT with the Browns?

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Flip

NOTE: On NNR Samantha Bunten of NBC Sports and I discussed the news of the day, injuries from week 5, our views of all week 5 games including the Browns/Ravens. On Thursday Ken Becks of 1stdownscouting.com/1st down will join me to talk about what scouts look for in judging college players for the NFL Draft.

Every Browns fans know that the defense can’t stop the run or the pass. They have seen even very average running backs look like the 2nd coming of Jim Brown against the D. But enough of that.

Craig Lyndall in the yardbarker wrote the following:

I’m just ecstatic to see John DeFilippo use the weapons he has to their fullest. We have watched too many coaches like Pat Shurmur fail miserably to maximize what they were given over the years. In Flip, Browns fans are seeing a guy who doesn’t seem to waste any time bemoaning the lack of a true number one receiver. He also doesn’t bemoan the inability of the team to run the ball. Instead he calls 51 smart passes from Josh McCown.

Read more at: http://network.yardbarker.com/nfl/article_external/its_more_fun_to_win_but_browns_flaws_still_exist/19708441?mb_edition=5068&linksrc=mb_favorites_head

I agree with him. On Dec. 3 of last year I wrote an article entitled “The Browns chose wisely for their OC” in which I said He had been the QB coach of the Raiders. But what I like best about him is he brings a history of fixing broken QB mechanics. If the Browns are ever going to get anything out of their 1st round pick of Johnny Manziel, DeFilippo is going to have to do major surgery on Johnny’s mechanics and attitude.

As QB coach for the Jets in 2009, he faced a difficult problem. The team drafted rookie Mark Sanchez who had started just 1 year for USC. It was DeFilippo’s job to turn Sanchez into an NFL starter. He was able to help Sanchez lead the Jets to the playoffs with a 9-7 record.

As QB coach for San Jose State, he molded Jordan La Secla into a serviceable QB that threw for 2860 yards and a QB rating of 125.8 in 2010. The next season he helped Matt Faulkner throw for 3149 yards and a QBR of 131.6.

John DeFilippo has justified my confidence in him. He quickly realized that the Browns were not going to win being a run first O. While the team is 2-3, the O has given fans something about which to be hopeful.

Flip is helping QB Josh McCown use the few weapons they have available. McCown gets rid of the ball quickly. Based upon how the O line is protecting him, that is a really good idea. He is reading the field very well. On the TD throw to RB Isaiah Crowell he quickly checked out 3 other options before wisely making the decision to throw to Cro.

Those of you that read this site regularly know that GM Ray Farmer has not given Flip many weapons with which to work. So what Flip and McCown have done is that much more surprising.

Browns fans can only hope that the D gets better and the O continues to surprise both the fans and the opposition.

That is what I think. Tell us what you think by commenting here or tweeting me @NNRonDSN.

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Bill Smith is a former coach of several semi-pro teams, has officiated both football and basketball, done color on radio for college football and basketball and has scouted talent. He edits http://fryingpansports.com. He has also published several novels on and a non-fiction work at http://www.merriam-press.com/. Follow him on twitter @NNRonDSN to get the schedule of Special News, Notes and Rumors broadcasts. You can hear the previous shows on http://fryingpansports.com/radio-show/.

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5 Biggest Stories/questions going into Browns training camp.

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NOTE: Today on NNR Samantha Bunten of NBC Sports and I discussed the news of the day and projected what the 2015 NFL season could be if the Browns had drafted Teddy Bridgewater rather than Johnny Manziel.

5 QB turned WR Terrell Pryor

Without question Pryor is best served by changing positions. He can become an outstanding WR/RB due to his quickness and overall speed. The only question is does he have good enough hands to catch the ball and can he hold onto it after a big hit. I have questions about that but it will be something to watch.

4 Will CB Justin Gilbert ever be an effective starter?

I doubt Gilbert will ever justify his top 10 1st round selection. If a CB can’t tackle in college, he will never be able to do that in the NFL. If both Gilbert and JFB end up busts, it should cost GM Ray Farmer his job.

3 Will QB Johnny Manziel ever develop into a decent backup?

I said in my 2014 pre-draft QB analysis that I wouldn’t touch Manziel with a 40 foot poll with a 10 foot extension. I had Teddy Bridgewater as my top QB. But as usual the Browns didn’t listen to NNR and took Manziel anyway. That alone should cost Farmer his job. Even if the owner tried to force me to take a guy I knew would never make it, I would quit rather than destroy my reputation as a talent evaluator.

2 Can the WR corps become decent?

The combination of Farmer’s refusal to draft a WR and the team’s inability to get a UFA WR to sign (except one that had as many TDs last year as I did) has left the team with a very questionable WR corps. He finally took one late in the draft this year. The lack of a starting quality QB has made recruiting WRs harder.

1 Can QB Josh McCown lead the team to 7 or 8 wins?

The answer to this question is NO WAY. McCown was handed the starting job by Lovie Smith and showed his appreciation by leading the Bucs to the 1st pick in the draft. Maybe Farmer is hoping that McCown can do that again. Even if McCown leads the Browns to the 1st pick overall, I have little confidence that Farmer can find a quality QB.

That is what I think. Tell us what you think by commenting here or tweeting me @NNRonDSN.

NOTE: News, Notes and Rumors podcast are BACK. Check out our thoughts on Fridays about the games coming up and Monday on the results of the weekend. My co-host is Samantha Bunten of NBC Sports. Podcasts can be heard on http://fryingpansports.com/radio-show/. Thanks for your support.

Bill Smith is a former coach of several semi-pro teams, has officiated both football and basketball, done color on radio for college football and basketball and has scouted talent. He edits http://fryingpansports.com. He has also published several novels on and a non-fiction work at http://www.merriam-press.com/. Follow him on twitter @NNRonDSN to get the schedule of Special News, Notes and Rumors broadcasts. You can hear the previous shows on http://fryingpansports.com/radio-show/.

He also edits http://fryingpanpolitics.org/.

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